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Keith.'s avatar

I am neutral on this topic with no axe to grind, just interested in the daily flourishing of ideas.

I practised children's dentistry before and after the HIV episode in 1984 or thereabouts. Masks (and gloves ) were mandatory after 1984.

I seemed all my life to be prone to catching colds and sniffles, more so when I worked close to a patient and less so after masks were made mandatory. 40 years of clinical practice, half without masks, half with. Something is going on here, I will not speculate, I will follow Michael's rule here and stick to my knitting.

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Tim Boyer's avatar

Just wondering. Where do the electron microscope pictures come from?

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Andy Fox's avatar

The process needed to prepare dead or dying & decaying biological matter for electron microscopy, is in the link below should you be suffering from insomnia, but in short they clean it in chemicals, dehydrate it with alcohol, wash the alcohol out with volatile chemicals (Stop & think for a moment what that process does to organic material!....Thought about it?….Good….’Cause they still aint finished yet), stain it with a dye, encapsulate it in resin, slice it into tiny little pieces, place it in a vacuum & finally bombard it with (high voltage electricity) electrons, which are focused into a beam, it is this beam which is interpreted as an image.

This image is photographed & is now an electron micrograph.

From the following link, a quote;..”We conclude that cell structures are affected by the fixation process.” https://www.nanolive.ch/technology/live-cell-imaging/nanolive-imaging/fixation/

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Tim Boyer's avatar

Yep! Yep! Yep! I learn something new every day. Thank you.

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Andy Fox's avatar

You're welcome.

The brief description above was just a general reference to the process as it relates to biological matter, virologists will often use electron microscopy as proof of existence of the hypothetical "virus", this is known as the Peter McCullough Method AKA "point & declare" (the arrows in the Electron Micrograph point & virologists declare; "L00K THERE!") however, electron microscopists who interpret the beam of electrons into an image never use the word "virus/virion" they use the phrase "virus like particles" the Devil is in the detail.......................and of course arrows on an EM do not prove pathogenicity.

Here's an interesting podcast (c/w write up) that you may already be aware of.

https://dpl003.substack.com/p/the-most-comprehensive-control-studies

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Elephile's avatar

If someone gets "flu symptoms" nearly every week after attending the same place with the same group of people, it obviously cannot be possible that this is caused by contagion. Why?

(Let's pretend we believe in the conventional model for a minute.)

Encountering the "flu virus" initially would set up immunity in the body. This would fade, but not that quickly. And the "virus" would not mutate so quickly that the immunity would lose its protection. Again, even if you believe in the conventional explanation, it's impossible that contagion repeated that frequently could be an explanation.

Therefore, it must be that the symptoms - the same each time - were triggered by the same thing: allergens in the room or on other attendees, poisonous substances ingested from food and drinks offered from the same kitchen, emitted by items in the room (off-gassing) such as fire retardants or fake scents which could be breathed in or in contact with skin or eyes, or these days shedding by other attendees of harmful substances their bodies have been instructed to produce (I was recently sick for a long time as a result of only a few hours in these conditions).

I notice that this stopped happening when the sufferer was no longer exposed to the risky conditions.

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Suavek's avatar

Hello Elephile,

Although I'm not the "expert in the house," I find your logic quite sound. The claims of conventional medicine can often be refuted by their own rules because they don't fit together or contradict each other. The observations you describe show that there are sometimes "little things" that we rarely think about, but which can prove to be important. For example, if a social activity is often followed by illness, this could also be due to stress. Vaccinations also make the body susceptible to disease, and more energy is often expended in a group setting than alone in one's own home.

Thank you for your interesting thought experiment.

All the best,

Suavek

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